Judge Faith – Church Crush (Season 1: Episode #134)


ANNOUNCER: TODAY ON “JUDGE FAITH,” THESE TWO EX-LOVERS MET IN CHURCH. CLAUSELL: HE’S LIKE, “WHY DON’T WE JUST GO UP TO VEGAS?” ANNOUNCER: BUT WHEN MONEY CHANGES HANDS AND THE RELATIONSHIP ENDS– JUDGE: SO ABOUT HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU DATED IN THE CHURCH? ANNOUNCER: WHAT WILL THE MINISTER SAY? CLAUSELL: UNDER OATH. MINISTER. JUDGE: I WAS WAITING FOR THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. CLAUSELL: THEY NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT TRYING TO SAVE US INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DATE US. [LAUGHTER] [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] JUDGE: WERE YOU DATING OTHER WOMEN IN THE CHURCH? REVELS: NOT WHILE I WAS DATING HER, NO. CLAUSELL: THAT’S NOT TRUE. HE WAS DATING ME AND THE YOUNG LADY AT THE SAME TIME FROM THE BIBLE STUDY THAT I WAS HOSTING THAT HE WAS AT. JUDGE: WELL, WHAT’S WRONG WITH MEETING PEOPLE AT CHURCH? CLAUSELL: COME ON. YOU’RE A MINISTER. YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DATING EVERY SINGLE WOMAN IN THE CHURCH AND GIVING THEM THE EYE. REVELS: THAT’S NOT TRUE, YOUR HONOR. CLAUSELL: YOUR HONOR, HE IS A HOLY HUSTLER. HE’S LIKE, “WHY DON’T WE JUST GO UP TO VEGAS?” HE TOLD THE OTHER GIRL THAT HE WANTED TO GO UP TO VEGAS. JUDGE: I REMIND YOU THAT YOU’RE A MINISTER, SIR. AND YOU’RE IN A COURT OF LAW. SO THAT’S A DOUBLE WHAMMY FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER] ANNOUNCER: FAITH JENKINS. HER DISTINGUISHED LEGAL CAREER BEGAN WHEN SHE GRADUATED FIRST IN HER LAW SCHOOL CLASS. SHE QUICKLY BECAME A TOUGH NEW YORK CITY PROSECUTOR AND THEN A PREEMINENT LEGAL ANALYST ON CABLE NEWS, AND NOW SHE’S THE JUDGE IN HER OWN COURTROOM. HER CASES ARE REAL, AND HER RULINGS ARE FINAL. SHE IS JUDGE FAITH. PLAINTIFF DONALD REVELS SAYS HE LOANED MONEY TO THE DEFENDANT FOR A NEW APARTMENT. HE’S SUING FOR THE UNPAID LOAN. DEFENDANT SHERRELLE CLAUSELL SAYS THE PLAINTIFF WANTED TO BE MORE THAN JUST FRIENDS AND THE LOAN WAS A GIFT. SHE’S COUNTERSUING FOR EMOTIONAL STRESS. BARBARA: REMAIN SEATED AND COME TO ORDER. COURT IS NOW IN SESSION. THE HONORABLE JUDGE FAITH JENKINS PRESIDING. BARBARA: YOUR HONOR, THIS CASE IS REVELS VERSUS CLAUSELL. JUDGE: THANK YOU, BARBARA. DONALD REVELS? REVELS: YES, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: YOU ARE SUING THE DEFENDANT, SHERRELLE CLAUSELL– CLAUSELL: YES, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: FOR $1,775 FOR AN UNPAID LOAN? REVELS: THAT’S CORRECT, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: AND YOU ARE COUNTERSUING, MA’AM, FOR EMOTIONAL STRESS AND HARASSMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $2000? CLAUSELL: YES, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: OK. WE’LL START WITH YOU, MR. REVELS. TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW MS. CLAUSELL AND WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT? REVELS: IN APPROXIMATELY JANUARY OF 2012, YOUR HONOR, I MET THE DEFENDANT AT A CHURCH FELLOWSHIP. I ASKED HER OUT. WE BEGAN TO DATE AND SEE EACH OTHER ALMOST–ALMOST, UM, DAILY. JUDGE: OK, SO YOU KNEW HER FROM SEEING HER AT CHURCH? REVELS: YES, OCCASIONALLY. JUDGE: OK. AND WHAT DO YOU DO AT THE CHURCH? REVELS: I’M A MINISTER. JUDGE: YOU’RE A MINISTER? REVELS: YES. JUDGE: OK. WERE YOU IN THE BIBLE STUDY? CLAUSELL: YES, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: OK. [LAUGHTER] CLAUSELL: I’M– I–ACTUALLY, I WAS THE HOST OF THE BIBLE STUDY, YOUR HONOR. I WAS THE HOST OF THE BIBLE STUDY. JUDGE: WELL, HOW DID YOU–HOW DID YOU ASK HER OUT? I’M JUST CURIOUS. [LAUGHTER] REVELS: WELL, BASED ON THE DYNAMICS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE AT THE TIME, WE COMMUNICATED VERBALLY DURING CERTAIN SESSIONS–DURING THE CHURCH SESSIONS. AND SO I JUST DECIDED–YOU KNOW, I JUST DECIDED–SHE WAS AN ATTRACTIVE WOMAN. I ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT. JUDGE: OK. REVELS: SO IN JANUARY, APPROXIMATELY JULY OF 2013, THE RELATIONSHIP TURNED SORT OF CONTENTIOUS, SO I THOUGHT I’D–I WOULD–I WOULD CALL IT OFF, I WOULD BREAK IT OFF. JUDGE: WELL, HOW LONG DID THE TWO OF YOU DATE? [LAUGHTER] JUDGE: I’M SORRY. CLAUSELL: GOD, HELP ME. JUDGE: HOW LONG DID THE TWO OF YOU DATE, SIR? REVELS: ON AND OFF TOTALLY, PROBABLY TWO YEARS GIVE OR TAKE. JUDGE: OK. AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, MA’AM? CLAUSELL: THAT IS A LIE, YOUR HONOR. FIRST OF ALL–YES, HE IS A MINISTER. HE IS A HOLY HUSTLER. I’M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW. REVELS: THAT’S NOT TRUE, YOUR HONOR. THAT’S NOT TRUE, YOUR HONOR. CLAUSELL: WELL, I’M GONNA JUST SAY THIS. HE APPROACHED ME IN THE CHURCH. I HAD NO INTEREST IN HIM. AND HE ACTUALLY APPROACHED ME IN THE CHURCH. HAD NO IDEA–I’M THINKING THIS GUY IS MAYBE MARRIED OR SOMETHING. I’VE BEEN AT THE CHURCH FOR OVER 10 YEARS. AND, UM, ME BEING A CHRISTIAN WOMAN, COME TO FIND OUT HE DATES–HE DATED MORE THAN ONE WOMAN AT THIS CHURCH. HE’S BEEN MARRIED OVER TWICE, YOUR HONOR–HE’S BEEN MARRIED OVER TWO TIMES. NOT ONLY HAS HE BEEN MARRIED OVER TWO TIMES, HE HAD A POTENTIAL MARRIAGE THAT HE WAS GOING TO HAVE WITH SOMEONE HE DATED ON AND OFF AT THE CHURCH FOR OVER FOUR YEARS. JUDGE: WELL, WHAT’S WRONG WITH MEETING PEOPLE AT CHURCH? CLAUSELL: WELL, COME ON. YOU’RE A MINISTER. YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DATING EVERY SINGLE WOMAN IN THE CHURCH AND GIVING THEM THE EYE. REVELS: THAT’S NOT TRUE, YOUR HONOR. CLAUSELL: YOUR HONOR, THAT’S THE PROBLEM. THAT’S THE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE. [APPLAUSE] CLAUSELL: NOWADAYS IN THESE CHURCHES. THEY NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT TRYING TO SAVE US INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DATE US. REVELS: SHE’S TRYING TO– AUDIENCE: WHOO! [LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE] REVELS: SHE’S TRYING TO SAVE HER BANK ACCOUNT AND KEEP FROM PAYING ME, WHAT SHE’S TRYING TO KEEP FROM DOING. CLAUSELL: A BANK ACCOUNT? IT’S NOT EVEN THAT MUCH MONEY– JUDGE: MA’AM, MA’AM, MA’AM. STOP, STOP. CLAUSELL: WHOO, MY LORD. REVELS: YOUR HONOR, IN APPROXIMATELY JULY OF 2013–THESE ARE APPROXIMATE DATES–THE RELATIONSHIP TURNED SORT OF CONTENTIOUS, SO– JUDGE: SO THE TWO OF YOU WEREN’T GETTING ALONG. REVELS: LIKED TO RAISE HER VOICE AT ME, AS YOU CAN SEE. JUDGE: WELL, WERE YOU DATING OTHER WOMEN IN THE CHURCH? REVELS: NOT WHILE I WAS DATING HER, NO. JUDGE: OK. REVELS: SO, AS I WAS ABOUT TO SAY– CLAUSELL: THAT’S NOT TRUE, YOUR HONOR. REVELS: UH, WE STILL COMMUNICATED. WE WERE STILL AMICABLE WITH EACH OTHER. SHE WOULD CALL ME ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK TO BORROW MY DRILL, BORROW MY TENT–SOMETIMES MY TRUCK. AND OCCASIONALLY I WOULD GO BY HER HOUSE TO FAX CERTAIN MATERIALS–TO USE HER FAX MACHINE. CLAUSELL: YOUR HONOR, CAN I SPEAK– JUDGE: STOP. NO. I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. CLAUSELL: OK. BARBARA: [WHISPERING] JUST RELAX. JUDGE: BUT YOU GOT TO CALM DOWN. ALL RIGHT, SO WAIT–HOLD ON. HOLD ON A SECOND. GO BACK. WOULD YOU STILL SEE HER IN CHURCH? REVELS: UH, YES. I WOULD SEE HER OCCASIONALLY. JUDGE: AND THAT WASN’T AWKWARD FOR YOU? REVELS: NO, BECAUSE–YOU KNOW, WE HAD–WE WEREN’T–WE WERE NO LONGER CONTINUING ON WITH THE RELATIONSHIP. BECAUSE WE WEREN’T, I BEGAN TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE. WELL, SHE TOOK IT UPON ITSELF TO CALL THIS LADY AND TELL HER THAT I WAS SEEING HER, AND THAT WASN’T THE CASE. JUDGE: SOMEONE ELSE AT THE CHURCH? REVELS: SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CHURCH. AFTER I WAS SEEING HER. WELL–AND SHE TOLD HER THAT I WAS STILL SEEING HER AT THE SAME TIME, AND THAT WASN’T THE CASE. WELL, THIS OTHER PERSON BECAME ANGRY AND SEVERED THAT RELATIONSHIP. ANNOUNCER: COMING UP– JUDGE: SO ABOUT HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU DATED IN THE CHURCH? ANNOUNCER: PLAINTIFF DONALD REVELS SAYS HE LOANED ONE OF THE CHURCH MEMBERS MONEY THAT HASN’T BEEN PAID BACK. DEFENDANT SHERRELLE CLAUSELL SAYS THE LOAN WAS A GIFT AND THE PLAINTIFF IS ONLY SUING BECAUSE SHE TURNED DOWN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. JUDGE: SO ABOUT HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU DATED IN THE CHURCH? I’M JUST CURIOUS. CLAUSELL: SEVERAL. REVELS: TWO, MAYBE THREE. [LAUGHTER] JUDGE: I–I REMIND YOU–I REMIND YOU THAT YOU’RE A MINISTER, SIR. CLAUSELL: HONESTY. JUDGE: AND YOU’RE IN A COURT OF LAW. SO THAT’S A DOUBLE WHAMMY FOR YOU. REVELS: RIGHT. CLAUSELL: YOU’RE UNDER OATH. REVELS: SO APPROXIMATELY JANUARY OF 2013– JUDGE: NO, I–I–I JUST–I WAS WAITING FOR THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. CLAUSELL: OH, I–I’M SORRY. JUDGE: APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY? REVELS: ABOUT TWO, MAYBE THREE. JUDGE: OK. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. REVELS: SO IN APPROXIMATELY JANUARY OF 2014, I HAD TICKETS TO A CONCERT AND I ASKED HER IF SHE WANTED TO GO WITH ME. AGAIN, SHE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH ME, AND CALLING ME ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. SHE WANTED TO BORROW MY TRUCK, WANTED TO BORROW MY DRILL OR–OR WHATEVER. AND WE WERE ABOUT TWO MINUTES DRIVING TIME. SO THE OTHER LADY SEVERED THE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE HAD DID. AND SO, I ASKED HER IF SHE WANTED TO GO TO THE CONCERT WITH ME. AND SO, WE WENT TO THE CONCERT. AS TIME PROGRESSED, IN APRIL OF 2014, SHE WANTED TO MOVE FROM HER GRANDMOTHER’S HOUSE INTO HER OWN–OWN PLACE. SHE ASKED ME IF–ANOTHER FRIEND OF HERS WOULDN’T LOAN HER MONEY, OR DIDN’T LOAN HER THE MONEY, OR WHATEVER, WOULD I BE ABLE TO LOAN IT TO HER? AND I SAID, “WELL, GET WITH THAT PERSON FIRST AND SEE IF, UH, THEY CAN DO IT, AND IF THEY–SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN GET FROM THEM AND THEN MAYBE I CAN LOAN YOU THE BALANCE.” JUDGE: AND YOU SAY THIS WAS A LOAN, NOT A GIFT. REVELS: THIS WAS–TCH. THAT WAS A LOAN. CLAUSELL: WHILE HE WAS DATING ME? REVELS: AND–AND SHE SAID– JUDGE: SO THE TWO OF YOU WERE NOT DATING AT THAT TIME, SIR? REVELS: UH, NO. JUDGE: AT THE TIME YOU GAVE HER–YOU SAY YOU LOANED HER THE MONEY, THE TWO OF YOU WERE NOT DATING? CLAUSELL: UNDER OATH. UNDER OATH. MINISTER. JUDGE: SO YOU LOANED HER THIS MONEY FOR AN APARTMENT. REVELS: THAT’S CORRECT, OK. JUDGE: ALL RIGHT, LET ME HEAR FROM HER. ’CAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU’RE ABOUT TO BLOW OVER THERE. CLAUSELL: I’M ABOUT TO BLOW. LIKE, SERIOUSLY, BUT THE THING IS I DON’T HAVE A TEMPER, FIRST OF ALL. I AM ACTUALLY– REVELS: NEGATIVE, NOT TRUE. JUDGE: HEY, YOU GOT TO–LISTEN, SAME RULE APPLIES TO YOU THAT APPLIED TO HER, OK? ALL RIGHT. CLAUSELL: I DO NOT BLOW, YOUR HONOR. I ACTUALLY–I ACTUALLY AM–OVER THE CHURCH, I’VE ACTUALLY–I’M A– FORGIVE ME. HE GOT ME RILED UP. JUDGE: WELL, YOU WROTE A BUNCH OF NOTES. CLAUSELL: YEAH, I WROTE A BUNCH OF NOTES. BUT HOWEVER, NOT ONLY DID I HOST FOR HIM–THE PASTOR WOULD NOT HAVE ME HOSTING OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE AT THE CHURCH COMING IN OF ALL–OF ALL ETHNICITIES, YOUR HONOR. EVERYONE COMING IN AT THIS CHURCH, AND THEY’RE TRUSTING ME TO BE OVER THESE PEOPLE. AND I HAVE THEIR NAMES, THEIR ADDRESSES, THEIR PHONE NUMBERS, THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY’VE GIVEN TO THE CHURCH AND I’M CHECKING THEM IN, I’M MAKING SURE THAT THE ATTENDANCE IS PROPER, I’M CALLING THEM TO CHECK ON THEM IF THEY HAVEN’T SHOWN UP. THINGS LIKE THAT. A PERSON WITH A TEMPER, THE CHURCH WOULD NOT HAVE THEM OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. JUDGE: HOW LARGE IS THIS CHURCH? HOW MANY MEMBERS? CLAUSELL: PHEW. HE’S ACTUALLY–I’VE BEEN THERE FOR ONLY 10 YEARS. HE’S BEEN THERE LONGER. HE SHOULD KNOW. HE’S A MINISTER THERE. JUDGE: HOW MANY MEMBERS DOES THIS CHURCH HAVE? REVELS: ON THE ROLL THERE’S APPROXIMATELY 3,000. IT’S A MINIMUM-SIZE CHURCH–A MEDIUM-SIZE CHURCH–I’M SORRY. JUDGE: OK. CLAUSELL: IN REGARDS TO HIM SAYING THAT HE DID NOT DATE ME–FIRST OF ALL, I’M GONNA GO BACK TO THAT SITUATION. HE SAID THAT HE WASN’T DATING ME IN THE TIME OF JULY OF 20–2013. HE WAS DATING ME AND THE YOUNG LADY AT THE SAME TIME FROM THE BIBLE STUDY THAT I WAS HOSTING THAT HE WAS AT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN HE DECIDED, “OH, SOMETHING”– JUDGE: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? CLAUSELL: BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME EVERYTHING. ONCE WE PUT OUR DATES TOGETHER–SHE AND I PUT OUR DATES TOGETHER WITH EVERYTHING. AFTER DECEMBER UP IN JANUARY, SHE AND I HAVE A CONVERSATION–NOT DURING THE TIME WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO HER. ’CAUSE I JUST, LIKE, LET IT GO WITH THE SITUATION WHERE–’CAUSE HE WAS ACTUALLY OVER FOR MY SON. HE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A MENTOR. HE’S KIND OF STALKERISH. HE SHOWS UP AT MY DOOR CONSTANTLY WHEN I WAS LIVING AT MY GRANDMA’S. HE CONSTANTLY–I’D TELL HIM “DON’T SHOW UP WITHOUT CALLING ME.” HE’LL CALL IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. [AUDIENCE CHUCKLES] CLAUSELL: YEAH, HE’LL CALL IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND SAY, “I’M HERE.” HE SAID, “OK, I’M GONNA GIVE THIS TO YOU, I’M GOING TO HELP YOU OUT, AND THEN YOU COME UP WITH THE OTHER HALF OF IT.” BECAUSE HE SAID, “I WANT TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU.” BUT I SAID, “YOU KNOW, WE CAN’T GO THAT FAR BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO DATE ME AND THE OTHER GIRL AT THE SAME TIME, AND NOW YOU’RE COMING BACK TO ME BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT DIDN’T WORK OUT WITH HER.” I SAID, “NOW BECAUSE I’M NOT”–HE WAS SHOWERING ME WITH GIFTS FOR MY AFFECTION. THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE WAS SHOWERING ME GIFTS FOR MY AFFECTION, AND IT DIDN’T WORK OUT BECAUSE– JUDGE: WELL, DID YOU AGREE–DID YOU AGREE TO PAY THIS MONEY BACK TO HIM? CLAUSELL: I–YOUR HONOR, NO. JUDGE: HOW MUCH DID HE GIVE YOU TOTAL? CLAUSELL: IT WAS THE 1700 THAT HE WAS SAYING. THE FIRST PART, WHEN HE GAVE IT TO ME AND THEN I COULDN’T COME UP WITH THE OTHER PART OF IT– JUDGE: HE GAVE YOU THE REST. CLAUSELL: HE CALLED ME. I DIDN’T EVEN ASK FOR IT. HE CALLED ME AND SAID, “GO TO, UM–THE, UM–MONEY GRAM. I WIRED YOU SOME MONEY.” HE JUST CALLED ME AND TOLD ME. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: SO YOU NEVER AGREED TO PAY HIM BACK? CLAUSELL: NO, IT WASN’T A–OH, YOU GONNA–AND THEN HE TOLD ME ONE DAY, HE PUT HIS ARMS AROUND ME, HE SAID, “WELL, WE’RE GONNA WORK SOMETHING OUT. I WANT TO–I WANT TO MARRY YOU.” AND I WAS LIKE–BUT THE THING IS IS THAT, HE WAS LIKE, “WHY DON’T WE JUST GO UP TO VEGAS? LET’S GO GET IT DONE.” JUDGE: YOU TELL HER YOU WANTED TO MARRY HER? CLAUSELL: HE TOLD THE OTHER GIRL THAT HE WANTED TO GO UP TO VEGAS–FROM THE CHURCH. JUDGE: OK– CLAUSELL: HE WANTED TO GO TO VEGAS WITH EVERYBODY. JUDGE: DID YOU TELL HER– [LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE] JUDGE: SO YOU’RE–WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS, YOU COULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST LADY OF THE CHURCH. ARE YOU THE HEAD MINISTER? CLAUSELL: OH, NO. REVELS: I WAS AN ASSOCIATE. JUDGE: ASSOCIATE PASTOR? CLAUSELL: HE’S GONE NOW. JUDGE: OK. REVELS: I HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE HERE WHERE SHE RESPONDED TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO MEET AND TALK ABOUT A PAYMENT OPTION. I DID NOT GIVE HER $1800. I DID NOT SHOWER HER WITH ANYTHING. I HELPED HER WHEN SHE NEEDED HELP OR ASKED FOR ME TO HELP HER, WHICH WAS QUITE FREQUENTLY. ANNOUNCER: COMING UP–SWIMSUITS AND SEX COME UP IN COURT. CLAUSELL: HE TOOK ME TO THE BEACH CONSTANTLY. WHO WOULDN’T WANT TO TAKE ME TO THE BEACH IF I’M WEARING A BIKINI AND YOU’RE A MINISTER AND YOU’RE NOT GONNA SLEEP WITH ME? MAN: WHOA! CLAUSELL: I’M JUST BEING HONEST. THAT THE ONLY WAY HE CAN GET SOME KIND OF LOOK. ANNOUNCER: PLAINTIFF DONALD REVELS SAYS HE LOANED HIS CHURCH MEMBER MONEY AND HASN’T BEEN PAID BACK. DEFENDANT SHERRELLE CLAUSELL SAYS SHE’S BEEN PUT THROUGH EMOTIONAL STRESS AND HARASSMENT SINCE TURNING DOWN THE PLAINTIFF’S ADVANCES. CLAUSELL: “LOOK, JUST–JUST–JUST GIVE ME HALF OF IT BACK BECAUSE WE’RE GONNA WORK OUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.” THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD ME. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. HE SAID, “WE’LL WORK OUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. JUST–JUST WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO, JUST GIVE IT BACK TO ME. I KNOW YOU JUST STARTED WORKING AND YOU GOT YOUR KIDS AND EVERYTHING.” JUDGE: SO YOU AGREED TO PAY HIM BACK. CLAUSELL: I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING. I DID NOT SAY YES, I DID NOT SAY NO. BUT IN REGARDS TO THE TEXT MESSAGES, I SAID–“LOOK, I’LL TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN.” JUDGE: YOUR TESTIMONY’S KIND OF CHANGING NOW BECAUSE PRIOR TO THESE TEXT MESSAGES, YOU–YOU CAN PUT YOUR HAND DOWN, PASTOR. UH, PLEASE. [CHUCKLING IN AUDIENCE] CLAUSELL: WHEW, MY GOD. JUDGE: PRIOR TO THESE TEXT MESSAGES, YOU SAID CLEARLY HE WAS SHOWERING YOU WITH GIFTS AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT YOU PAYING HIM BACK. CLAUSELL: THAT’S WHEN I TOLD HIM THE RELATIONSHIP WASN’T GONNA WORK. REVELS: I WASN’T SHOWERING HER WITH ANYTHING. CLAUSELL: WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS, I CANNOT DO THIS ANYMORE. YOU’RE MAKING ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. YOU’RE CONSTANTLY SHOWING UP AT MY DOOR UNANNOUNCED AFTER I’VE ASKED YOU REPEATEDLY. JUDGE: THIS WAS BEFORE OR AFTER HE GAVE YOU THE MONEY? CLAUSELL: AFTER. JUDGE: OK, SO WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST PAY HIM BACK AT THAT POINT, IF YOU THINK HE’S STALKING YOU? CLAUSELL: WELL–AT THAT TIME, I DID NOT PAY HIM BACK BECAUSE HE DIDN’T SAY I WANT YOU TO PAY ME BACK. WHEN HE FOUND OUT THAT WE WEREN’T GONNA HAVE A RELATIONSHIP, THAT’S WHEN HE SAID, “I WANT YOU TO PAY ME BACK.” JUDGE: FROM THIS MESSAGE, IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO WORK OUT A PAYMENT PLAN WITH HIM TO PAY HIM THIS MONEY BACK. CLAUSELL: WHEN I SAID OK TO HIM, IT’S BECAUSE HE SAID, “PAY ME BACK ONLY HALF OF IT.” HE SAID, “BECAUSE I GAVE YOU THE REST.” AND I HAVE PROOF RIGHT HERE. WHEN HE FIRST FILED IT, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE “GAVE,” YOUR HONOR. JUDGE: MAY I SEE THAT? CLAUSELL: IT SAYS “GAVE.” JUDGE: WHAT IS THAT–WHAT IS THIS? CLAUSELL: THAT’S THE HALF OF IT THAT HE GAVE AND THE OTHER HALF THAT HE WIRED, THAT–I TOLD HIM I WOULD TRY TO PAY HIM BACK ON IT. AND, YES, HE SHOWERED ME WITH GIFTS. YES, HE TOOK ME PLACES. HE TOOK ME TO TWO CONCERTS. HE TOOK ME TO THE BEACH CONSTANTLY. WHO WOULDN’T WANT TO TAKE ME TO THE BEACH IF I’M WEARING A BIKINI AND YOU’RE A MINISTER AND YOU’RE NOT GONNA SLEEP WITH ME? [LAUGHTER] CLAUSELL: I’M JUST BEING HONEST. THAT’S THE ONLY WAY HE CAN GET SOME KIND OF LOOK. AUDIENCE: OOH! REVELS: WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS– JUDGE: IS THE ORIGINAL. I KNOW, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CLAIM THAT YOU FILED IN COURT. REVELS: AND THIS IS THE AMENDED WHERE–WHERE–THAT WAS– CLAUSELL: THE DAY AFTER– JUDGE: THAT WAS A–AN ERROR. I AMENDED THAT I LOANED HER. CLAUSELL: [LAUGHING] A ERROR THAT “YOU GAVE”? JUDGE: WELL, IT SAYS “GAVE/LOANED.” OFTENTIMES, WHEN PEOPLE DATE AND THEY’RE INVOLVED IN RELATIONSHIPS, ONE PARTY GIVES MONEY TO THE OTHER. AND WHEN THINGS DON’T WORK OUT, THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL– OFTENTIMES I GET PEOPLE IN HERE, “WELL, YOUR HONOR, THIS WAS–I–I BOUGHT HER DINNER AND I BOUGHT HER SHOES AND I–THIS MONEY THAT I GAVE HER, AND EVERYTHING WAS A LOAN. SHE OWES ME FOR EVERYTHING, EVERY DIME I’VE EVER SPENT ON HER.” AND I HAVE TO–I HAVE TO SORT THESE THINGS OUT. I THINK THESE TEXT MESSAGES SHOWS AT SOME POINT YOU DO ASK FOR THIS MONEY BACK. THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, WAS THAT THE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU GAVE IT TO HER OR DID THIS ONLY COME UP LATER DOWN THE ROAD? FOUR MONTHS LATER YOU’RE ASKING HER ABOUT A PAYMENT PLAN FOR THE MONEY. FOUR MONTHS LATER. REVELS: NO, IT’S–IT’S NOT THAT I’M JUST ASKING HER VERBALLY. I’VE BEEN COMMUNICATE HER– JUDGE: THIS IS YOUR EVIDENCE THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED TO ME. FOUR MONTHS LATER YOU SAID–WHEN WAS SHE EXPECTED TO PAY YOU THIS MONEY BACK? FOUR MONTHS LATER IS THE FIRST TEXT MESSAGE I SEE WHERE YOU’RE TALKING TO HER ABOUT A PAYMENT PLAN. REVELS: NO. JUDGE: IS IT BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP DIDN’T WORK OUT? REVELS: NO, NOT AT ALL. I BROKE THE RELATIONSHIP OFF WITH HER. JUDGE: YOU SAY YOU’RE A LADY FROM THE CHURCH. SO I’M GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN, IF PRIOR TO HIM GIVING YOU THIS MONEY YOU HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT PAYING HIM BACK? WAS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU RECEIVED THIS MONEY THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY HIM BACK? CLAUSELL: THE UNDERSTANDING ON THE INITIAL FIRST 800 AND SOMETHING, HE SAID IF IT–HE SAID, “IF YOU CAN GET THE MONEY FROM THE GUY,” HE SAID, “YEAH, YOU CAN PAY ME BACK.” BUT HE SAID THIS DOWN THE LINE WHEN WE WERE SITTING THERE TALKING. HE WAS LIKE, “OH, ONLY PAY ME HALF OF IT BACK.” JUDGE: DID YOU EVER SAY TO HER, “DON’T WORRY ABOUT PAYING BACK ANY OF THE MONEY?” REVELS: NOT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOUR HONOR, IS THAT–THERE WAS–WE WERE EMPHATIC ON EACH WIRE–ON EACH ME SUBMITTING THE MONEY TO HER. JUDGE: I’M–I’M–I’M NOT CONVINCED. I’M NOT–I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS WASN’T, BECAUSE I HAVE–I HEAR EVERYTHING YOU’RE SAYING. BUT WHEN YOU COME INTO COURT, IT IS ABOUT PROOF. AND YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. REVELS: BUT–NO, PRIOR TO THEN, I WAS CALLING HER AND COMMUNICATING WITH HER BY WAY OF TELEPHONE. JUDGE: I NEED EVIDENCE. I NEED EVIDENCE. I’M NOT CONVINCED. CLAUSELL: HE WAS VERY UPSET WITH ME FOR NOT SHOWING UP TO HIS NEW CHURCH ALSO, YOUR HONOR. I MEAN, YOU GOT UPSET WITH ME. REVELS: THAT’S ALL–THAT’S ALL LIES. JUDGE: STOP, STOP, STOP. I DON’T–I’M–I’M DONE TALKING TO YOU. ANNOUNCER: AND NOW, JUDGE FAITH RULES. JUDGE: WHAT’S YOUR COUNTERCLAIM ABOUT? CLAUSELL: BECAUSE HE WAS SHOWING UP AT MY HOUSE, I’M LOSING SLEEP. I ACTUALLY COULDN’T GO PLACES, COULDN’T DO THINGS. MY WHOLE LIFE WAS LIKE–I– JUDGE: AND AT THAT POINT–AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF SOMEONE’S DOING THAT, IF YOU THINK THEY’RE STALKING YOU AND SOMEONE IS DOING THAT, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO? YOU JUST GIVE THEM BACK THE MONEY. IT’S NOT WORTH KEEPING MONEY. CLAUSELL: IT WASN’T ABOUT THE MONEY. JUDGE: EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK IT’S A GIFT, AT THAT POINT, YOU JUST PAY THE MONEY BACK TO GET THEM OUT OF YOUR HAIR AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. WHAT BOTHERS ME IS, I DON’T HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE–AFTER YOU GIVE HER THIS MONEY. AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION CLEARLY ABOUT HER EVENTUALLY PAYING YOU BACK HALF, AND THEN SHE SAYS LATER DOWN THE ROAD YOU SAY DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT. MY ISSUE IS, IF YOU SAY THIS WAS REALLY A LOAN AND SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING YOU BACK, THE EVIDENCE YOU SUBMIT TO ME IS FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD–A TEXT MESSAGE TALKING TO HER ABOUT NAILING DOWN SPECIFICS OF THE PAYMENT PLAN. ONLY BECAUSE SHE ADMITS THAT AT SOME POINT SHE AGREED TO PAY YOU BACK HALF, SIR, AND YOU HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE WHERE YOU TALK TO HER ABOUT A PAYMENT PLAN, THAT’S THE ONLY REASON WHY I’M ORDERING HER TO PAY YOU BACK HALF OF THE MONEY. I–I’M–I’M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS WAS A–A LOAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. YOUR COUNTERCLAIM FOR HARASSMENT IS DISMISSED. JUDGMENT IN THIS CASE FOR THE PLAINTIFF, $887.50. CLAUSELL: YES, YOUR HONOR. [APPLAUSE] BARBARA: GO AHEAD AND WAIT HERE FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR FILE AND HEAD OUT THE DOOR ON THE LEFT, PLEASE. ANNOUNCER: IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAS A DISPUTE, DON’T TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS. LET JUDGE FAITH RULE ON IT FOR YOU. TO SUBMIT YOUR CASE, GO TO JUDGEFAITH.COM AND TELL US YOUR STORY. SEE YOU IN COURT.

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