The Fine Line Between Belief and Unbelief for Healing


MOLLY KAY: God just opened the
door. He brought in all these finances, and I can go and I
can reach women far from God. And so Jesus–you know,
it’s Jesus. He’ll do that. (Singing) I know my God
has made the way for me. I know my God has
made the way for me. ANNOUNCER: Today on the
Believer’s Voice of Victory, Kenneth Copeland explains how
small adjustments in your thought process can push faith
to the top and allow the healing power of Jesus to drive out
unbelief. Now here’s Kenneth. KENNETH: Aren’t you glad that
Jesus is Lord and not some fool? (Laughter) (Audience “Amens”)
I’m so glad I’m not lord and He is. Oh, thank You, Father. We
rejoice today. We thank You for this broadcast. And we praise
You and–for Your Word, oh my, and for Jesus. Oh, thank You,
Lord Jesus. Thank You, thank You, thank You, thank You, thank
You, for being our Lord and our Savior and our healer and our
financier. And we praise You for it and we thank You for it in
Jesus’ name. Amen. Welcome, everybody, to the Believer’s
Voice of Victory broadcast. I’m Kenneth Copeland. And we’re
blessed today with–all week long, we’ve been blessed with
this fine studio audience. Praise God. So you give them a
hand, and you give them a hand. (Applause) Amen. And they’re
members of our staff and–just how many–all of you staff
members in here today, I think. Huh? AUDIENCE: No; volunteers.
KENNETH: One, two, strange volunteers. (Laughter) I’m just
kidding, partners. (Audience Agrees) Amen, partners. Glory to
God for partners. They’re our family. Glory to God. FEMALE:
Amen. That’s right. KENNETH: Open your Bibles with me today
to Matthew the 17th chapter. Now, we’ll look at the 14th
verse, “When they were come to the multitude–” Now, what had
just happened, they’d been up on the mountain together. And
what’s–you know, Jesus was transfigure–the
transfiguration, and then they came down the mountain. “When
they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man,
kneeling to him, and saying, Lord, have mercy on my son: for
he’s lunatic, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the
fire, oft into the water. I brought him to your disciples,
and they could not cure him. And when Jesus answered and said, O
faithless–” Now, we’ve been looking at faith and power,
faith connection. “Faithless–” There are scriptures where Jesus
talked about no faith, weak faith, strong faith, growing
faith, “–faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be
with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him here to
me. Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the
child was cured from that hour. And when–then came the
disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him
out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief.” You
see that? There’s the reason, “Because of your unbelief: for
verily I say unto you, If you have faith as a grain of mustard
seed, you’ll say to this mountain, Remove hence to yonder
place; and it’ll remove; nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” He
wasn’t talking about that devil. FEMALE: That’s right. KENNETH:
You can’t fast a demon out. FEMALE: That’s right. KENNETH:
Well, what is He saying? He’s saying this kind of unbelief
goes out by prayer and fasting. Now, let’s go then and read Mark
9:14. Mark 9 and the 14th verse, “He came to his disciples, he
saw a great multitude about them, and the scribes
questioning with them. Straightway all the people, when
they beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to him
saluted him. He asked the scribes, What question you with
them? And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I
have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; And
wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and
gnashes with his teeth, and pineth away: I spoke to your
disciples that they should cast him out; and they couldn’t. And
he answered them, and said, Faithless generation, how long
shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him
here to me. They brought him unto him: and when he saw him,
straightway the spirit tore him; and he fell on the ground, and
wallowed foaming. And he asked his father–” You notice Jesus
didn’t just get upset about that a bit. Now, I’ve–I’ve dealt
with this kind of thing. And boy, everybody gets upset when
you–boy, you want to just attack. And I’ve been–I have
mistakenly done that. But Jesus turned around there and said,
“How long ago since this came into him–came unto him? And he
said, Of a child. Ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire,
into the waters, to destroy him: but if you can do anything, have
compassion on us, and help us.” “If you can do anything, do
something!” That’s reading right here, “Do something, Jesus!” “If
you can believe–” Now, I want–I want you to see
something here. In His own hometown in Nazareth, the
scripture says, “There he could do no mighty work.” It didn’t
say He wouldn’t. It said He couldn’t because those people–I
mean, they got so mad at him for what He said. They didn’t
believe what He said. And without faith, you can’t make
that connection. Now, Jesus needed this man to believe
something. He needed a connection with him. FEMALE:
Yes. KENNETH: He needed to get this out of him. Now, there’s
been a huge misunderstanding about it. “Well, He’s Jesus. He
can just heal anybody He wants to.” Well then, I wonder why He
didn’t. He said–and I’m summarizing, now, His ministry.
The 14th chapter of John, 10th verse, He said, “The words that
I speak unto you are not my own: it is the Father that dwelleth
within me, he does the works.” And then in–He also said, “The
Son,” speaking of Himself “can do nothing of
himself,” nothing. He’s a man. He’s not ministering
as God. He’s a man anointed of God. And He’s
limited to that. And He said, “The Son can do nothing of
himself.” Now, this man is crying out to him, but he isn’t
believing anything. Why? He doesn’t have anything to
believe. Now, let’s go back and look at it again. He said, “If
you can do anything.” He ain’t got an ounce of faith. He’s not
really too sure whether Jesus can do anything or not. Why?
Because His disciples couldn’t. You following me? They couldn’t
do anything. “Jesus said, If you can believe, all things are
possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of
the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe;
help thou mine unbelief. When Jesus saw the people come
running, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, You
dumb and deaf spirit, I charge you, come out of him, and enter
him no more. The spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out
of him: he was one like he was dead; insomuch they said, He’s
dead. Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he
arose. When the disciples came to the house, his disciples
asked him privately, Why couldn’t we cast him out? And
then, This kind can come forth by nothing, but prayer and
fasting.” But we now–since we’ve read both accounts, we
understand He wasn’t talking about that demon. He’d already
said to them, “Because of your unbelief.” Now then, Luke 9:37.
Now, why do we read all three? Because they’re different
accounts. Luke wrote–you get–you get insight into Luke’s
writing in the 1st chapter of the book of Acts because he was
writing to Theopolis. And Luke wrote documentary-style. He
questioned people. He questioned everyone. See, this–these
things weren’t written just a few days after Jesus was raised
from the dead. There’s a lot of years went by. And they were
writing by–they weren’t trying to think up stuff. They were
writing as the Spirit of God moved them. They weren’t
together when they wrote these things. So the Spirit of God was
moving them. It’s quite miraculous, isn’t it? (Audience
Agrees) Amen. And so you get to see from different viewpoints
here. Amen. (Audience “Amens”) And you get the whole picture.
Hallelujah. Now–so where’d I tell you to go? I told you to go
to Luke 9:37, didn’t I? AUDIENCE: Luke 9:37. KENNETH:
Okay. “It came to pass, that the next day, when they were come
down from the hill,” from mount of transfiguration, “much people
met him. A man of the company cried out, saying, Master, I
beseech thee, look upon my son: he’s my only child.” Now we know
that this is–was his only child. Luke has got a way of
finding out stuff, see? I mean, he got the–he got this by
inquiring and asking, and it’s his only child. “And, lo, a
spirit taketh him, and suddenly cries out; and it teareth him
that he foameth again, and bruising him hardly departeth
from him. I besought your disciples to cast him out; and
they could not. Jesus answering said, O faithless and perverse
generation–” All three of them quoted Jesus as exact–saying
the exactly same thing, “You’re faithless and perverse.” “How
long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring your son here.
And as he was yet coming, the devil threw him down, and tore
him. Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child,
and delivered him again to his father. And they were all amazed
at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at
all the things which Jesus did, he said to his disciples, Let
these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man
shall be delivered into the hands of men.” Now, let’s go
back to our account in Matthew 17. And go to the 10th chapter
of Matthew. Let’s read from the 17th again. And–from the 19th
verse, “Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why
could we not cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of
your unbelief.” Now, if you–if there’s unbelief, you’ve got to
not–you’ve got to–there’d be something you’re not believing.
See, let me tell you something about when the Bible talks about
unbelief. There’s no such thing as nonbelief. Unbelief is when
you’re believing something other than what God or what the Bible
has said. That’s Bible unbelief. Or when you’re not believing
something God has said, you’ve might as well called Him a liar.
Let’s go back to the 10th chapter, Verse 1. “When he had
called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power
against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner
of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of the
twelve are these.” Now you know what they were not believing.
Amen? FEMALE: Amen. KENNETH: Somehow or another, they’d
forgotten what He said. I heard–Brother Hagin told a
story that really was just astounding. It just really
opened my eyes. Back in the early days
of Brother Hagin’s Ministry, 1950 on up
through several years there, Jesus appeared to him
eight different times. Now, “Oh, I want Him to appear to me.” Oh,
really? Brother Hagin was called of God to literally change the
course of religion into reality. Amen. And just–I mean,
right–he was in the ministry all through World War II and
then had a great healing revival break out in the ’50s and
for–up to 1959 and ’60. And there were things that people
just didn’t know. Now, it–not that it hadn’t been learned. You
go back to ministries that had learned it, way back in the
early years, particularly back in Maria Etter’s time and the
late 19th century on into early 20th century. She had–she had a
meeting at Stone Church, Chicago. Man, they had an
outpouring of the Holy Ghost that was awesome. But the war
came along and messed everything up. Well, he started talking to
him. I’ll show you this. He said, “I’m going to teach you
about demons and evil spirits and so forth.” And then He told
him–He said–He had–He had laid the finger of His
hand–his–into Brother Hagin’s hands. And his hands–he said
they just burned like fire. And Jesus said, “I’ve called you and
anointed you and given you a special anointing to lay hands
on the sick, sozo.” “Sozo.” And then He told him–He said, “When
you–when you put your hands on someone back to back,” like
chest and back, say–and he said–and Brother Hagin
said–said, “I could feel it.” Oral Roberts had that kind of
anointing in his right hand. Brother Roberts–I mean, I
talked to him about it and so forth. Anyway, we–phew, ah, we
need to do some teaching on that. But anyway, He said, “And
that fire jumps back and forth, you know there’s an evil spirit
there. You know that. Well, you can also receive it through the
Word of knowledge.” Well, anyway, he said this man could
absolutely not bend over. He–from the neck down, he is
stiff as a board. Well, he put his hands on him and did just
what Jesus said. And he said, “Now then, see if you can bend
over,” and he couldn’t. And he thought, “Well.” So he laid
hands on him again. The fire jumped. He said, “Now see if you
can bend over,” and he couldn’t. Well, he was just kind of
stumped. And so the man went on and sat down. And he turned
around. He’s laying hands on other people, and he turned
around, and Jesus was standing right there. He was standing
right in front of him. He said, “I told you when that fire
jumped, there’s a devil there.” “Yeah, I know.” “I told you, ‘In
my name, cast him out.'” And he said, “Yes, sir, but he didn’t
go.” He said, “I told you–” and He rehearsed it again. He said,
“I know, but he didn’t go.” And He said it the third time, “I
know, but he didn’t go.” And he said–he said, “The fire jumped
out of His eyes. He said, ‘I said he would!'” So the next
time he laid hands on him–on him, he didn’t say, “See if you
can bend over.” He said, “Bend over and touch your toes.” And
right down he went. Can you see that little difference? But in
the Spirit, it’s huge. (Audience Agrees) Now, you
see what was wrong out there that day. They were
doing something like that. They’d forgotten what He
said. He gave them power. Hallelujah! (Audience
“Hallelujahs”) We’re out of time. We’ll be back in just a
moment. (Applause) MOLLY KAY: My name’s
Molly Kay, and I’m from a little town called Clinton,
Ohio. My story was, I–I didn’t know Jesus, and I had this sweet
little baby girl, and she started having a lot of medical
problems. And she was in the hospital more than she was out.
She was in intensive care more than she was out. And they were
trying to figure out what was going on. I was an emotional
wreck. And just the fear and the torment and so afraid that Megan
was going to die, and, you know, “How are we going to do this?”
And at this one season, God brought three women into my
life. He needed three women, oh, my gosh! (Laughs) And they–it
was just for this little season. And it would be like, “Molly,
Jesus.” I’m like, “Jesus?” They’d be like, “Molly, Jesus.”
I’m like, “Jesus?” And it was like I had done everything I
knew to do on my own, and I was still in the ditch. And I
thought, “All right. Jesus.” And so I just took this step, and it
was kind of a shaky step, but it just–I just kept taking those
steps forward. I’d found Jesus, and I had got planted. I got
baptized in the Holy Spirit, and then I got planted in a
faith-based church. I knew I needed some help with Meg. Megan
was going through some hard stuff with being awake at night.
And so I just started inquiring, like, “What should I do?
What–what should I look like?” And I started talking about,
“Maybe I should retire.” And so I–you know, my husband, being
a–a black-and-white figures kind of guy, he’s like, “Uh, I’m
not sure about that.” He had some real concerns. And I
said–I said, “Okay. If you’re not okay, I’m not going to do
this.” And I told God, “If you want me to do this, you need to
change his heart.” And about two weeks later, he came, and he
said, “All right.” And I’m like, “God.” (Laughs) It was like,
“Oh, my gosh, God!” And so, you know, we just started moving
forward. And I was able to retire. It was November 1st of
2012. And in the middle of getting all of this settled, and
I was looking for more help for Megan, and I found out that I
could do this certification, and I could get paid for doing what
I’m doing. And God opened this door, and money started coming
in for a second income in January. And then it just seemed
right. As my profession, I was going to start a small business.
And I got an LLC, and I just happened–it was like before I
had left from full-time. I found this school. The CEO of it goes
to our church. It’s a Christian-based special-needs
private school. And I thought, “That would be awesome.” So I
got a contract, and I got a third income in September. And I
work four days a month. (Laughs) I work four days a month, and
God has almost doubled my income. And then it’s like, I
meet a lady at our church who was in charge at the time of
prison ministry, and it just unfolded. It was like God just
opened the door. He brought in all these finances, and I can go
and I can reach women far from God and say, “Jesus,” you know,
“It’s Jesus. He’ll–He’ll do that. Just give Him the
opportunity.” This part of being a part–a part of this major
move of God on the world, and I’m being a part of sowing
the Word–(Sighs)–for people to really walk in
victory, I love that, you know? When we ask
Jesus to come in and–and take our life and do
something with it, He will. ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today’s teaching from Kenneth Copeland Ministries. And
remember Jesus is Lord.

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