Why Mormons don’t drink COFFEE??

Why Mormons don’t drink COFFEE??


Okay so if you’re at all familiar with
the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, you probably already know that
members of the church don’t smoke or do other recreational drugs and they don’t
drink alcohol, coffee, or tea. We always save those two for the end. I
feel like people are always like, “Oh yeah good, smoking is bad, illegal drugs, yeah,
alcohol, man okay that makes sense. Coffee and tea?!” Don’t freak out though, we’re
gonna talk through this. It’s all part of a revelation we call the Word of Wisdom. Often times, both anciently and modern-ly, revelation comes about as the result of a question. In 1833, Joseph Smith had
started a small school called the School of the Prophets. It consisted of like 25
guys packed into a small room on the second floor of a mercantile store in
Kirtland, Ohio. These guys were big-time pipe smokers
and chewing tobacco users. It made the room nasty. Joseph’s wife Emma was just
disgusted with the tobacco soaked floor. They both lived in this mercantile at
the time so she often was the one cleaning the floors. Anyway, Joseph ends
up asking God about how to remedy the situation. The resulting revelation is
recorded in Doctrine and Covenants section 89. There’s a link in the
description below if you want to read it for yourself. It’s only 21 verses long.
The revelation called the Word of Wisdom is essentially a law of health we live
by. It’s pretty broad in some ways and pretty specific in others. It talks about
the stuff we should be eating as well as the stuff we should not. “Have they got any chips?” Currently Latter-day Saints live this law pretty strictly.
From the text though we learned that when it was first revealed, it was not
considered a commandment but rather divine counsel. Joseph Smith, Brigham
Young and their contemporaries still occasionally smoked and drank. Through
later prophets, the Word of Wisdom evolved from counsel to commandment
which I’m grateful for because statistically, Latter-day Saints that
follow this commandment live about 8 to 11 years longer than the general
population. *Forever Young playing…* But really, why are coffee and tea on
that list? What’s wrong with them? How did they make the list but the bacon double
cheeseburger with mayo didn’t? Okay, first of all, just because it’s not listed in
the Word of Wisdom doesn’t mean you should eat it. It also doesn’t mention
bleach but don’t drink bleach. But why coffee and tea? Well there’s a lot of
speculation about that. We Latter-day Saints first are very cautious of
addictive substances so some people assert that we must not be able to drink
coffee and tea because the caffeine in them is a stimulant and can be addictive.
That’s a good theory and may have something to do with it, though it’s led
to a misconception that Latter-day Saints can’t drink soda that has
caffeine in it which isn’t the case. The revelation also says it was given in
consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of
conspiring men in the last days. This calls to mind stories of big tobacco and
other companies working overtime to get you addicted to their products and
leaves the door open to those kinds of possibilities right now or in the future.
Will something or is something like this happen with tea and coffee right now?
I don’t know. When it comes right down to it, I don’t know exactly why we’re asked
not to drink coffee or tea but I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet so I’m not
gonna drink it. You might remember a certain leper
in the Old Testament called Naman in 2 Kings. Naman hears about a man in
Samaria who could apparently heal people. His name was Elisha, he was a prophet.
Naman, having nothing to lose but his limbs… leprosy joke… Naman, having nothing to lose but his
limbs traveled to Elijah’s house to see if the rumors were true.
Elisha doesn’t meet Naman personally but rather sends out a messenger to him.
The messenger said to Naman, “Go and wash in Jordan seven times and thy flesh
shall come again to thee and thou shalt be clean. Naman’s response was similar to
how many people respond to the tea and coffee thing. He thought it was
ridiculous. The Jordan River had no healing powers. In fact, it was a pretty
nasty River but eventually Naman tried it out. Lo and behold, he was healed. When
it comes to tea and coffee, many people outside our faith pass our belief off as
blah, mindless obedience. Hopefully we disagree.
We’d call it faith obedience. We have faith that it’s instruction that God
currently would like us to live by even if we don’t understand why. That rhymed.
Check out the link to our website in the description for more information about
the Word of Wisdom. I’ll throw a few other helpful resources in there for you
as well and we’ll see you next time. Have a great day. Nothing to lose but his
limbs, travel — hahahahah such a good pun

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63 Comments

  1. (Deuteronomy 14:26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

    “For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.”
    ‭‭(Romans‬ ‭14:17-18‬, Bible NIV‬‬)

  2. An important point about this topic is that highly-caffeinated drinks can, a lot of times, take away our agency. I mean I’ve heard many, many stories of people being totally controlled and directed by whether they have “gotten their coffee” or not. You don’t have the thought-process of, “do I want to spend money this morning?” No, it’s already been decided for you. It’s going to take away a lot of the choices that they could be making because it’s addictive. In the end, I believe this isn’t good and that it’s a commandment because God wants us to keep our agency and independence. We should be able to act reasonably without pumping chemicals into our brains every day. Agency is important.

  3. David reminded me of a Beatles parody with his leprosy joke: Changing the words from "Yesterday" Leprosy, all my skin is falling off of me. I'm not half the man I used to be. Oh leprosy, came suddenly… 😂

  4. I really liked the manner in which you approached this topic, but please let me share my thoughts on the matter.

    (Colossians 2:16-17) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

    (Matthew 15:10-11) Jesus himself said, "And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
    Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

    I'm sorry, but God does not care whether or not you drink coffee.

    (Genesis 1:29) "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

    God did not say, "I give you every herb bearing seed EXCEPT FOR THE COFFEE BEAN!"

    (Malachi 3:6) "For I am the Lord, I change not…"

    (James 1:17) "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, WHO DOES NOT CHANGE like shifting shadows.

    Noah got drunk, and I'm sure he still went to Heaven.

    Jesus not only created wine, but he then served it to all the wedding guests. Don't tell me that Jesus is now a hypocrite saying, "Do as I say…NOT as I do!"

    I say this to you in love…Mormonism needs to check itself on all of its legalistic ways.

    (Romans 10:2-4) "For I bear them (Mormons) record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

  5. I loved this. And I love how you acknowledge the fact that we don’t always understand why we are commanded to do certain things, and that’s ok. All religions in general are riddled with these types of things. It’s so important to God, I think, for us to show Him that we will have faith in all things he asks of us, even if we don’t fully understand why. Great video! Seriously though…3:30…hilarious! Bahaha!

  6. So what is the thoughts regarding herbal non-caffeinated ‘tea’, which by my research isn’t a true tea but an herbal infusion because there are no tea leaves in it. Tea leaves is where the caffeine is found. It is literally dry leaves and spices used to flavor hot water, I drink it warm, not hot. I drink herbal fusions aka “tea” when I'm fighting off colds or sick or to soothe sore throats. It helps me feel/get better faster. I also use herbal teas to treat nausea and upset stomach and other ailments.
    Some have said no tea of any kind, period, and they are called tea. They say its treading a fine line with the word of wisdom. But I see it as natural medicinal remedies – no caffeine and no tea leaves. I pick them carefully. There’s no addiction involved, just wellness. Perhaps this is one of those areas where we use our agency in our personal decision?

  7. The addiction factor is probably the most logical reason to abstain.
    So why are caffeinated sodas and energy drinks not included? “ For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.” D&C 58:26

  8. Lepracy jokes really make heads roll…
    I am an ex-mormon who works as a coffee roaster and wholesaler. I have a good view of why it is that coffee made that list if you'd like to hear me out?

  9. I hear what you are saying here that you guys view abstinence from alcohol and coffee as a modern revelation for our time.
    It’s something that always confused me since many righteous bible characters drank wine.
    What I don’t understand is that in 2 Timothy 3:16 it says that “all scripture is inspired of God.”
    If every verse in the bible is already inspired of God then why would he override some of them with new revelation?
    1 Timothy 5:23 “do not drink water any longer but take a little wine for the sake of our stomach and your frequent cases of sickness.”
    So if that verse is inspired by God, what would inspire him to change his thinking and decide to forbid it’s use?
    It all seems a bit odd to me

  10. Drinking coffee is bad for your health, but worship Lucifer in a Masonic (Mormon) temple is good for your soul… No thanks !

  11. I’ve been trying to find the talk/prophet that specified that the word of wisdom meant tea and coffee specifically

  12. Well, do you consider Brigham Young to be a prophet? Yes. Did he drink coffee along with the first 3 generations of pioneers? Yes. Therefore, if I follow BY then coffee is OK. Further, did Joseph Smith live the word of wisdom? No. Therefore, If I follow JS then the word of wisdom is not a commandment and need not be followed. Was Heber Grant a prophet? Yes. Oh yeah–the guy that codified Sec 89, which he transformed into a commandment; ironic because the revelation states in effect: DON'T TURN THIS INTO A COMMANDMENT. Well, good try here, but as usual your analysis of Mormon issues is weak & facile. You are all really nice guys on this channel but seriously: take some time and do some research on these issues before you throw it out there—it would really make your argumentation more persuasive. Peace.

  13. I had a nephew who (in part) went inactive because he was drinking green tea for the health benefits; when he told the counselor in the bishopric, the counselor went ballistic. The irony is that the counselor was slamming down 6 energy drinks a day, each of which had about 10x the caffeine content of green tea. My nephew thought that was a touch hypocritical, the counselor thought he was perfectly OK. Likewise, we have lots of Mormons who "obey" the word of wisdom as currently interpreted and enforced who slam down Big Gulps and plenty of animal products (Beef, chicken, etc.) and that is perfectly fine. Meantime, the clear admonition of the WOW (meat only sparingly or not at all) is completely disregarded by active Mormons, because this portion of the revelation has never been enforced. Meanwhile, 7th day Adventists who allow coffee/tea but encourage Vegan/Vegetarian diet are now SURPASSING Mormons on just about every health study both for longevity, cancer rates and overall healthiness. Kind of makes you think how the Brethren ought to be teaching this doesn't it?

  14. The zero tolerance policy on tea and coffee is disproportionately persnickety when compared to the ground on which it stands.

  15. The Reason why we are told to avoid drinking coffee, tea and alcohol and avoid smoking, why? Because it interferes with our reception of the Spirit.

  16. Its almost like its some old dudes opinion and he was trying to control his followers better so he made up rules with no solid reasoning behind them

  17. There are atleast 2 atleast 2 reasons not to drink cofe 1) It can cause heart issiues and bad sleep at night in extreme cases insomnia
    2) generally any hot drinks aren't good for your stomach everything should be around room temperature evan too cold is not good for you.

  18. “instruction to live by even if we don’t understand why”. This is a statement that perfectly illustrates the horrors of all religions. Men wrote illogical, and many times, heinous policies in books and claim to be inspired by an invisible entity. People believe and “follow” these ridiculous writings in the hope that there is something marvelous after death. If this isn’t make believe and fantasy at it’s finest….I have no idea what is.

  19. So interesting to hear you say Soda wasn’t included. I know mtn dew in Canada doesn’t have caffeine and it does in the states. The Mormon lore was that on of the apostles (don’t remember who). Liked it so much so contacted to ask if it could be made without. Leading to it being removed in Canada. As well every event or activity never had coke or Pepsi unless it was the caffeine free version.
    I remember getting in trouble for drinking coke as a kid. A lot of root beer.

  20. Typically religion is based on PRESUMPTION …it is people deciding that a presumption is "right". Take Mormonism. A lot of the general presumptions in fact have no concrete basis …it grew from opinions (presumption) …My understanding is that the no coffee rule all stemmed from Joseph Smith decreeing that Mormons ought not consume "hot drinks" …then others simply PRESUMED that to mean simply coffee and tea (even though in the world hundreds of other "hot drinks" were customary depending on the local culture) THEN some mormon folks with some pull surmised (presumed) that it must be the CAFFEINE in these drinks that was REALLY the thing of offence ….and so? Every drink that highlights caffeine was added to the list… So now that any informed Mormon realizes these things they have to choose which fallible people to PRESUME has it right ….I would think if any Mormon wants to be honestly obedient to the original command (was it that? I dont know) then they literally must NEVER drink ANY hot liquid ….of course THEN they have to decide to presume WHO'S definition of "hot" qualifies ….which might change with altitude if it involved first bringing the liquid to a boil) …See this is why I FINALLY could not in good conscience be "religious" any longer ….I am just another fallible human being who not only can not "know" for absolute certain many times what things absolutely are "good" and absolutely are "evil" ….which of course includes ME choosing which other people to trust that THEY "know" ….What was "the fruit" (presumption) that adam (same exact WORD means "mankind" in the original tongue) were commanded NOT to "eat of"(partake of)? It was the "the fruit of the knowledge/"knowing" good and evil" ….my conscience is THAT might very well be EXACTLY "the fruit" we are partaking of (eating) every single time we PRESUME that a single understanding some literal (the letter) utterance is either "good" (right/righteous) or "evil" (not right/unrighteous)

    The more simple way I personally decide what I ought NOT do? Is if it hurts someone as near as I can tell ….that is individual and free of "the law" …it is one's HEART hopefully honestly having the desire to "do unto others AS one would have them do unto you" …now yes I might miss something accidentally harming another ….I am not God with perfect perspective to see and KNOW everything ….but what says the Scripture? "God looks at the HEART" IF I ever honestly believe that my consuming a "hot beverage" is hurting my fellow man? I truly believe I honestly ought to repent of it ….I would wish everyone to have the same regard for me too …."love one another" …it is subjective …imperfect ….something one ought to try to refine and correct to do the least harm…it also can be a hard thing ….it carries with it much more responsibility than that of simply "keeping the letter of the law" according to those who claim to "KNOW" good and evil (the pharisee types in other words) ….remember "the letter (the literal) KILLS" One of my favorite parables is this one in Luke 18:9-14 KJV] "…. And (Jesus) spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous (RIGHT), and despised (rejected as evil) others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted…."

    Do you REALLY wish to try to be justified by your OWN presumption of "good and evil"? Like the pharisee heart does via "law"? OR will you instead choose to WANT to be honest in HEART? Humble in other words….NOT presuming what literally IS "good and evil" re the literal (the letter) according to fallible men? I choose the latter …my conscience simply can not bear the alternative of OWN presumption AS "the law" ….fact is I am NOT God….I do not "KNOW" what really finally is "good and evil" other than to judge along the lines of "do unto others as I would have them do unto me" ….a "new heart" wanting the very best for my fellow man ….which is an exercise of work to even guess at….but worthy of the effort….if you ask me …I throw myself on the mercy of God not claiming AT ALL to be infallibly "right" …much as the publican in Luke 18? "Lord have mercy on me a sinner" and
    such as Proverbs 3:5 KJV] "….Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding…."

  21. There's probably a lot of other things out there that are tools of evil and conspiring men, but the word of wisdom hasn't been updated much. Illegal and mind-altering drugs have been added to the list, but not through canonized scripture. I often wonder how much stuff goes on behind the scenes with the powers that control this world.

  22. I was really hoping for an answer about coffee. I see my family down one soda after another, but would look down on me for drinking one cup of coffee. From what i read coffee is good for you as long as you don't put a bunch of sugar and cream in it. No one can ever explain this to me.

  23. The real reason: If you can control what someone puts in their mouth, you can control anything, specifically the wallets

  24. This guy is a bean-head. A few more of him and I could brew up a foul cup of coffee. Seriously, this no caffeine thing is plain weird. At the time of the prophecy, nobody knew what caffeine was. How did Joseph prescribe against it? More importantly, how did he proscribe caffeine with the only relevant words in the text: "Hot drinks are not for the body or belly"?
    Cold coffee would not be a "hot drink." Problem solved. [By the way, in the Word of Wisdom, Doctrine and Covenants 89, there is a distinction made between "not for the body' and "not for the belly." Not for the body means not nutritious, not beneficial for the maintanence or growth of the body, not tending toward health. Not for the belly means difficult to digest or likley to cause more harm to the digestive system than could be counterbalanced by its nutritional value. This distinction is made in the dietary laws of most religions back to the beginning of historical records and preserved oral traditions.]

  25. Lol he said all mormons dont smoke drink coffee and drink tea? Has he met every single mormon?. Lol his logic is pure nonsence

  26. I love how he says first of all first of all hes trying to be a intilgent person using clee shey words and big ones to pull his crowd.

  27. Tea and coffee weren't even introduced into Europe until like the 1600's, so prior to that there was water, ale, milk which did not have a long shelf life(7-10 days) and usually made into butter or cheese, and water. So I guess 'The prophet Joseph Smith' apparently would have wanted water to be drunk exclusively even if it made one sick, where coffee, hot tea, and alcohol would not… sure I can go with that line of reasoning… I wonder how many years that people could live if they only had access to contaminated water… 7 maybe 8 years more than the general population?

  28. its funny how when people find out my religion and that my parents dont drink coffee and stuff they r like "HOW" one person told me my dad was stupid for not drinking.lol

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